One VE Cross to Rule Them All – NOSSCR 2026 Fall National Conference – Track I (Presented by National Organization of Social Security Claimants’ Representatives)

Theodore Norwood
Meghan Gallo
David Chermol
Theodore Norwood | Integrated Benefits, Inc. and Pontello, Bressler, Norwood, & Associates
Meghan Gallo | GCC Law Firm
David Chermol | Chermol & Fishman, LLC

Live Video-Broadcast: October 13, 2026

1 hour CLE

Tuition: $395.00
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Program Summary

 

SSR 24-3p Made the VE Cross Harder. Here Is One Approach That Covers Most of It

The ground has shifted. Since SSR 24-3p, putting together a comprehensive cross examination of the vocational witness has been harder. The popular approaches each answer part of the problem — this session combines several of them into one approach that should cover most instances.

The cross is bigger than the hearing room. Preparation before the hearing shapes what the questioning can reach. Execution during the hearing determines what testimony you obtain. The work after the hearing decides whether that information gets used — and knowing why it is important is what makes it count.

You walk out with the combined approach in hand: a comprehensive vocational-witness cross built for the post–SSR 24-3p landscape, guidance for before, during, and after the hearing, and a clear understanding of how to use the information you obtain and why it matters.

Eligible for up to 1 CLE Credit Hour

This session was originally submitted for CLE as a live, in-person presentation and a live webcast for the 2026 Fall National Conference and may be eligible for self-study credit. Each state handles self-study credit differently; for questions, please consult your State Bar Association.

Recorded Tuesday, October 13, 2026.

Key topics to be discussed:

  • Cross After SSR 24-3p
    Why SSR 24-3p has made a comprehensive cross examination of the vocational witness harder to build.
  • One Combined Approach
    An approach that should cover most instances, combining several of the popular current approaches.
  • Before the Hearing
    Preparing the vocational witness cross before the hearing begins.
  • During the Hearing
    Executing the cross examination of the vocational witness at the hearing.
  • After the Hearing
    What to do with the cross once the hearing ends.
  • Using the Information
    How to use the information obtained and why it is important.

This course is co-sponsored with myLawCLE.

Date / Time: October 13, 2026

  • 5:00 pm – 6:00 pm Eastern
  • 4:00 pm – 5:00 pm Central
  • 3:00 am – 4:00 pm Mountain
  • 2:00 am – 3:00 pm Pacific

Closed-captioning available

Speakers

Theodore Norwood, Attorney | Integrated Benefits, Inc. and Pontello, Bressler, Norwood, & Associates

Ted Norwood is a attorney at Integrated Benefits, Inc. and Pontello, Bressler, Norwood, & Associates.

  • Education & Credentials

He graduated from St. Louis University and the University of Missouri-Columbia School of Law and has been licensed in Missouri since 2007.

  • Recognition & Leadership

He serves as Chief Legal Officer of Integrated Benefits, Inc., where he has represented Social Security Disability claimants in every state and handled hearings in 48 states and Puerto Rico.

  • Professional Involvement

He has also been a long time NOSSCR member including service on the Board of Directors and numerous committees.

  • Experience

He has experience in administrative practice and several federal courts, including the 10th Circuit.

 

Meghan Gallo, Senior Partner | GCC Law Firm

Megan Gallo is a NOSSCR Board Member for the 8th Circuit.

  • Education & Credentials

She earned her undergraduate business degree from the University of Arizona’s Eller College of Management and her Juris Doctorate from the University of Arkansas School of Law in 2010, earning Dean’s List recognition. She is licensed to practice before the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals.

  • Recognition & Leadership

She is recognized nationally in Social Security disability law, particularly on Step Five vocational testimony, serves on NOSSCR’s Policy and Governance Committees, and has mentored NOSSCR attorneys for several years.

  • Professional Involvement

She has also been one of the leading presenters and practitioners addressing statistical deficiencies in vocational evidence.

  • Experience

She is an experienced administrative and federal court attorney from Arkansas.

 

David Chermol, Founding and Lead Partner | Chermol & Fishman, LLC

David Chermol is a former OGC attorney with a national litigation practice in SSA cases, representing thousands of claimants before the agency and federal courts.

  • Recognition & Leadership

During his decade at SSA, he served as the Commissioner’s senior disability litigator for Mid-Atlantic Region III at the GS-15 level and received two Excellence in Service Awards and a General Counsel’s citation.

  • Professional Involvement

He has provided national and regional training to SSA’s administrative law judges on issuing legally defensible decisions and, in coordination with the Department of Justice, trained SSA attorneys on effective appellate advocacy. He served as SSA’s lead author, presenter, and editor for the 2006 and 2007 Pennsylvania continuing legal education courses on disability appeals in the federal courts, and he is a member of NOSSCR and the National Association of Disability Representatives.

  • Experience

From 1997 to 2007, he was an Assistant Regional Counsel for the Social Security Administration’s Office of the General Counsel in Philadelphia, serving as a Special Assistant United States Attorney for the Commissioner of Social Security in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania and the District of Delaware. He personally litigated or developed litigation strategy in most of the major disability cases resulting in published Third and Fourth Circuit decisions during that period.

Agenda

SESSION 1 – One VE Cross to Rule Them All | 5:00pm – 6:00pm

Since SSR 24-3p, putting together a comprehensive cross examination of the vocational witness has been harder. We will provide an approach that should cover most instances, combining several of the popular current approaches. We will provide guidance for before, during, and after the hearing. We’ll also review how to use the information and why it is important.

Credits

Alaska

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Our programs are CLE-eligible through Alaska’s recognition of multi-jurisdictional reciprocity.
Alabama

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Arkansas

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Arizona

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

California

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Colorado

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Connecticut

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

District of Columbia

No MCLE Required
1 CLE Hour(s)

Delaware

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Florida

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Georgia

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Hawaii

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Iowa

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Idaho

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Illinois

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Indiana

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Kansas

Pending CLE Approval
1 Substantive

Kentucky

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Louisiana

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Massachusetts

No MCLE Required
1 CLE Hour(s)

Maryland

No MCLE Required
1 CLE Hour(s)

Maine

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Michigan

No MCLE Required
1 CLE Hour(s)

Minnesota

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Missouri

Approved for CLE Credits
1.2 General

Mississippi

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Montana

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

North Carolina

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

North Dakota

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Our programs are CLE-eligible through North Dakota’s recognition of multi-jurisdictional reciprocity. Section 1, Policy 1.14
Nebraska

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

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New Hampshire

Approved for CLE Credits
60 General minutes

As of July 1, 2014, the NHMCLE Board no longer provides pre- or post-approval of courses. Attendees must self-determine whether a program is eligible for credit, and self-report their attendance online at www.nhbar.org, based on qualification provisions of Rule 53.
New Jersey

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Our programs are CLE-eligible through New Jersey’s recognition of multi-jurisdictional reciprocity, except for the courses required under BCLE Reg. 201:2
New Mexico

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Nevada

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

New York

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Our programs are CLE-eligible through New York’s Approved Jurisdiction Group “B”.
Ohio

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Oklahoma

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Oregon

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Pennsylvania

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Rhode Island

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

South Carolina

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

South Dakota

No MCLE Required
1 CLE Hour(s)

Tennessee

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Texas

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Utah

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

Virginia

Not Eligible
1 General Hours

Vermont

Approved for CLE Credits
1 General

Washington

Approved via Attorney Submission
1 Law & Legal Hours

Receive CLE credit in Washington via attorney submission.
Wisconsin

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

West Virginia

Pending CLE Approval
1.2 General

Wyoming

Pending CLE Approval
1 General

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